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Post  updragracer on Wed Sep 17, 2008 11:30 pm

Can a employer change your pay scale from hourly to a flat rate scale without your consent ??

I am a mechanic who was hired as a hourly employee I work on heavy trucks etc. our new manager is planning to turn our shop into a flat rate shop .

I will refuse to work as a flat rate mechanic as this job I have cannot be set up for a flat rate . most of the vehicles I work on are highly modified from original condition with various attachments hydralic systems etc. that have no labor operation book guidlines for the people who decide how many hours they think is fair to pay me .
I'm not comfortable in letting anyone decide what I should be payed for performing a repair .

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Post  JoeC (McGruff) on Thu Sep 18, 2008 12:01 am

They don't have a set up like the body shop's for estimators? Will the hourly rate cause a reduction in wages?
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Post  ArmyRetCW3 on Thu Sep 18, 2008 12:51 am

Same response at in the other labor site...

He can pay on a going forward basis, on any pay rate that he may wish. As you have indicated you also may leave the employment anf get the pay you think you deserve.

Going forward is that you have been warned. Keep in mind the employer owns the business. He can do almost anything, that is not illegal.

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Post  updragracer on Thu Sep 18, 2008 2:24 am

JoeC (McGruff) wrote:They don't have a set up like the body shop's for estimators? Will the hourly rate cause a reduction in wages?
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In my position the flat rate wage will ultimatly cause me to make less .

As for the labor operation times for estimates is similar to the body shop books but . the type of vehicles I repair are usually very old, very abused , and have aftermarket installed heavy machinery , etc. on them . there are no labor guides that I know of to acurately estimate repairs . so it is left up to some white shirt guy in the office who has no idea how to repair this or any other vehicle for that matter . He will make the estimate and determine for me how long it will take to repair and that will be how much I get paid regardless what I have to do to perform this task . If he bids 2 hours and I work on it for 8 hours I get paid 2 hours that's it . Suspect And for the bean counter in the office checking my performance rating I look like a enept mechanic because of a person who has no training in heavy truck service and repair is dictating for me my work day and pay No

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Post  JoeC (McGruff) on Thu Sep 18, 2008 2:28 am

Sounds like they need a new estimator not revamp the pay scale. How many employees we talking here,and what state?
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Post  updragracer on Thu Sep 18, 2008 2:36 am

Thanks ,

This is wisconsin , and there are 3 of us in this shop which is an extension of a much larger automotive dealership . with 100 or more flat rate auto repair tech's . our shop is the only one payed hourly because of the type of vehicles we repair . mosly fleet vehicles from the farming , paving , and railroads .

As far as replacing an estimator why would they ? he is getting work done for next to nothing and making the company big money by screwing the mechanics out of their wages Mad

this shop has been through 3 service managers in the last year . and the latest one I call little hitler is really shaking things up . last week a dedicated 30+ years employee was let go . {he no longer fit's in with our companiy's plans .

I'm scared to death and feel trapped like a rat Sad .... Mike

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Post  JoeC (McGruff) on Thu Sep 18, 2008 2:48 am

Three employees make it easy to unionize. Just among yourselves just walk in and say we have just formed a Union under
Wis. Stats 111.04 Rights of employees. Employees shall have the right of self−organization and the right to form, join or assist labor organizations, to bargain collectively through representatives of their own choosing, and to engage in lawful, concerted activities for the purpose of collective bargaining or other mutual aid or protection; and such employees shall also have the right to refrain from any or all of such activities.

Study this http://www.legis.state.wi.us/statutes/Stat0111.pdf
Once you do that the employer has to bargain he cant fire the three of you for unionizing.
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Post  updragracer on Thu Sep 18, 2008 3:01 am

Very Happy Thanks Joe !!! at least there is an option . At this point I have begun searching for other employment and will most likely leave this company at first chance but I'm going to give it my all with the organization of some type of barganing . I think the auto repair industry really needs some kind of unionizing to protect us from this raping .

I should check with the UAW or Teamsters for support . I bet they would be willing to help .

Thanks again ... Mike

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Post  JoeC (McGruff) on Thu Sep 18, 2008 3:27 am

The reason the automotive repair industry has such a difficult time Unionizing is the reason you talked about. Mechanics hate flat rate wages,and only mediocre mechanics except it. Unions like to bargain increasing hourly wages,and ignore commission. Mechanics hate that kind of set up.

You can contact the teamsters or the U.A.W but if they show an interest at all you guys have to make it very clear you want both a good hourly wage and commission. Otherwise they might screw it all up.

I think the state law offers you and your co-workers flexibility. The teamsters have been successful in bargaining wage+ commission contracts with Aramark. So who knows. Since there are so few employees you may be able to bargain directly with the employer getting a contract would be difficult but you could get what you want, without having to pay dues. By all means talk to an affiliated union they may get you even more than you want,and they can get a contract if they are interested. Sometimes small groups of employees have a difficult time forming a union with an affiliated group. However not always.
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